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he took a lot of hits from john paul ii. i see him now calmer than ever. he showed a little emotion from sunday. not so much today. a beautiful speech. one was precisely about the weather. as mentioned before. he said we're in the middle of winter. let's thank god fort beautiful day we have. >> this was stunning in terms of timing and opened up a wrath of conspiracy theories, some saying this dossier containing allegations of corruption among some members of the church body. do you confidently say this pope's decision has to do with his health and health alone? >> i think we should take him on his word. people sell novels, millions of copies with conspiracy theories, he's repeated now on several occasions. and you see it. i watched him over the last eight years. i was very nervous as christmas, because i got a very good seat. you can tell he is slowing down. >> despite exhaustion and rigor of the job. do you think there's scandals? >> there's no doubt that the job has a lot of weight. it's not just precisely that you have to travel and you have to do this
he took a lot of hits from john paul ii. i see him now calmer than ever. he showed a little emotion from sunday. not so much today. a beautiful speech. one was precisely about the weather. as mentioned before. he said we're in the middle of winter. let's thank god fort beautiful day we have. >> this was stunning in terms of timing and opened up a wrath of conspiracy theories, some saying this dossier containing allegations of corruption among some members of the church body. do you...
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most recently, pope john paul. before the body is moved across st. peter's square to the basilica. unlike all of the past popes whose reign ended in this room, benedict is the first to leave office still breathing. like a king, attending his own funeral. today, the dean of the college of cardinals thanked him for his service. benedict stood up and embraced him. the pope wasn't expected to speak, but he did. saying, among you is also the future pope, to whom i pledge my unconditional reverence and obedience. that hasn't been an issue for 600 years. today, vatican cameras will follow benedict's departure, minute-by-minute. 19 cameras documenting his trip, live. every angle covered, from his final wave at st. peter's. they'll be there with him on the helicopter, as he flies to castel gandolfo. there, he'll greet the faithful one last time from the balcony. and then, tonight at 8:00 p.m., the swiss guard will leave and the gates will close. symbolically signaling that benedict is no longer pope. so, who is actually in charge in the interim? the papal camalango is in state. we're sure i
most recently, pope john paul. before the body is moved across st. peter's square to the basilica. unlike all of the past popes whose reign ended in this room, benedict is the first to leave office still breathing. like a king, attending his own funeral. today, the dean of the college of cardinals thanked him for his service. benedict stood up and embraced him. the pope wasn't expected to speak, but he did. saying, among you is also the future pope, to whom i pledge my unconditional reverence...
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this job before he became pope he was essentially regarded as the john paul of seconds papal bulldog he was the defender of the doctrine of fair for faith and not role he is accused of covering up sexual abuse scandals all around the world but also here in germany in fact in recent times there's been further controversy over this as the church here in germany cancelled an investigation into child abuses that range but in one thousand nine hundred forty since that investigation apparently according to the man who was conducting it because they weren't happy with what would be made public so there's certainly been controversy and it will be something that's picked over for a long time to come after benedict steps down at the end of this month but he's peter one of their mala vatican is mulling a replacement for the outgoing pope and abuse campaign a bobber dora's says little will change as the catholic church hasn't done anything to bridge to bring alleged paedophiles to justice. we believe that he uttered words he said there was filth in the priesthood he apologized to the victims but
this job before he became pope he was essentially regarded as the john paul of seconds papal bulldog he was the defender of the doctrine of fair for faith and not role he is accused of covering up sexual abuse scandals all around the world but also here in germany in fact in recent times there's been further controversy over this as the church here in germany cancelled an investigation into child abuses that range but in one thousand nine hundred forty since that investigation apparently...
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where did paul mccartney and john lennon first meet? stay tuned for the answer when we come back. >> welcome back. the answer to the millionaire question of the day is in a church. joining me now is francis salazar from patchogue, new york. nice to see you, francis. >> great to be here. meredith: special ed teacher. >> thank you. meredith: brought along your beautiful wife terry who's in the audience. nice to see terry. and the big news here is that the two of you are expecting a baby, which is very exciting. so we got to start sprucing up the nursery. gotta start sprucing up that nursery. >> absolutely. that's what we're hoping for. meredith: well, i hope so, too, and a cruise wouldn't be bad either. >> ha ha. yeah. absolutely. meredith: so let's take a look at the money in your round 1. computer, please randomize the money and the questions. now let's see where your disney cruise question is. oh, way down low. whoa. all right, francis, are you ready? >> i am ready. meredith: then let's play "millionaire." [cheering] according to a 201
where did paul mccartney and john lennon first meet? stay tuned for the answer when we come back. >> welcome back. the answer to the millionaire question of the day is in a church. joining me now is francis salazar from patchogue, new york. nice to see you, francis. >> great to be here. meredith: special ed teacher. >> thank you. meredith: brought along your beautiful wife terry who's in the audience. nice to see terry. and the big news here is that the two of you are...
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after john paul ii it's now taken for granted that the pope shubd a master of many language s. you also look for skill and organization. the pope manages a large bureaucracy. there's a great need for reform of that. but i go back primarily, someone who is an effective evangelizer in today's society. >> first off, cardinal francis arinze. >> i would be surprised if he is elected pope just given his age. pope benedict was 78 when he was elected now is resigning because of old age. cardinal arinze is already 80. he is a bit of a television personality, especially in the english speaking world, he has become well known. very articulate. charming, funny man. he is also involved in the interreligious dialogue for many years, which would make him an attractive figure. >> cardinal peter terkurkson is getting a lot of attention. age 64, so not a problem there. >> yeah. he speaks perfect english, has a sense of the international church. he is also the head of the council for peace and justice. very involved in economic and political issues, but leans a bit left in terms of the mainstray
after john paul ii it's now taken for granted that the pope shubd a master of many language s. you also look for skill and organization. the pope manages a large bureaucracy. there's a great need for reform of that. but i go back primarily, someone who is an effective evangelizer in today's society. >> first off, cardinal francis arinze. >> i would be surprised if he is elected pope just given his age. pope benedict was 78 when he was elected now is resigning because of old age....
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john paul ii and benedict xvi further expanded and internationalized the college of cardinals. another factor for the conclave is the proliferation of the media, which challenges the vow of secrecy and perhaps also shapes the choices. inevitably, observers are making up their short lists of candidates, lists that have already been revised many times. and beyond the politics and the process and the pageantry, for the world's catholics, the conclave is ultimately a holy endeavor. i'm kim lawton, reporting. >> pope benedict's resignation is to take effect on february 28th. the college of cardinals is expected to convene in march, which means that a new pope will almost certainly have been chosen by easter. >>> in other news, in his state of the union speech this week, president obama addressed several issues of concern to many faith groups. the president pushed for stricter gun control, comprehensive immigration re and protections for senior and protections for senior citizens, the middle class and working families. some religious organizations praised obama's demand to raise the
john paul ii and benedict xvi further expanded and internationalized the college of cardinals. another factor for the conclave is the proliferation of the media, which challenges the vow of secrecy and perhaps also shapes the choices. inevitably, observers are making up their short lists of candidates, lists that have already been revised many times. and beyond the politics and the process and the pageantry, for the world's catholics, the conclave is ultimately a holy endeavor. i'm kim lawton,...
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a relative enigma compared to john paul ii, of course. an old fashioned man in modern times. and now the question for catholics and their church becomes what next. nbc's anne thompson is here with us, with part of that story. anne, good evening. >> reporter: we're in such uncharted territory, the vatican doesn't even know how pope benedict will be addressed after february 28th. when a pope dies, the conclave to elect his successor begins 15 days after his death. but now when it will start is just one of many mysteries in the wake of today's startling news. ♪ the cardinals, the men who will elect benedict's successor, were as surprised as the people in the pews. new york's cardinal timothy dolan on the "today" show. >> i'm as startled as the rest of you and anxious to find out exactly what's going on. >> reporter: and like the nation's cardinals, the faithful have many questions. >> maybe he's trying to do what's best for us as the church and he wants us to be led by, you know, a strong person who is of sound mind and body. >> reporter: some express the hope a new leader mig
a relative enigma compared to john paul ii, of course. an old fashioned man in modern times. and now the question for catholics and their church becomes what next. nbc's anne thompson is here with us, with part of that story. anne, good evening. >> reporter: we're in such uncharted territory, the vatican doesn't even know how pope benedict will be addressed after february 28th. when a pope dies, the conclave to elect his successor begins 15 days after his death. but now when it will start...
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i know john paul ii, whom we knew quite well, went through a lot more ordeals and i think more health problems than pope benedict, but i don't -- i'm not in a position to criticize. i don't know what his status of health is. >> but if an american president retired on the grounds of exhaustion, they would be ridiculed, wouldn't it? >> i think it wasn't just exhaustion, but he wasn't able to handle the mental challenges to handle his job. it's up to him to make a decision. not been done much in the past. >> a lot of people when i said i was interviewing you. >> yes. >> said to me, as long as last time, said he's the greatest post president america has ever had. is that compliment or a veiled insult? >> i take it as a compliment. my wife would take it maybe as a veiled insult. we did a lot of good things when we brought peace to egypt. we formed an alliance with china after 35 years, we told the truth, we kept our country at peace for four years, which is a rare thing. >> incredibly rare. >> i think we -- peace and human rights. >> has the role of president changed dramatically do you th
i know john paul ii, whom we knew quite well, went through a lot more ordeals and i think more health problems than pope benedict, but i don't -- i'm not in a position to criticize. i don't know what his status of health is. >> but if an american president retired on the grounds of exhaustion, they would be ridiculed, wouldn't it? >> i think it wasn't just exhaustion, but he wasn't able to handle the mental challenges to handle his job. it's up to him to make a decision. not been...
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because most of them have been chosen either by benedict, chosen some of them or john paul ii so you've got a powerhouse within that and figure out where it is. >> feels like we just went through this a couple years ago and-- >> maybe eight years ago. >> clayton: thank you for breaking it down for us. >> clayton: coming up on the show, remember this speech? >> i urge you to beware the temptation of pride, the temptation of declaring yourselves above it, and to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses are an evil empire. >> clayton: a look back at some of the greatest moments of presidential history in time for president's day. run a red light legally coming soon to a street near you perhaps. we'll explain what that means coming up. es she is. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. 100% vegetable juice, with three of your daily vegetable servings in every little bottle. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day afr day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get hear
because most of them have been chosen either by benedict, chosen some of them or john paul ii so you've got a powerhouse within that and figure out where it is. >> feels like we just went through this a couple years ago and-- >> maybe eight years ago. >> clayton: thank you for breaking it down for us. >> clayton: coming up on the show, remember this speech? >> i urge you to beware the temptation of pride, the temptation of declaring yourselves above it, and to...
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he said, john paul led the church to the end because he was convinced that one doesn't come down from the cross. a lot of people interpreted that as essentially the pope taking the easy way out. he's elderly, he's tired and so he's going to retire. >> i think that would be a bad way to look at this. these are two decisions in conscious made by two men of conscious. john paul ii's decision to live his dying publically was his last great teaching moment and the world responded to that in a remarkable way. benedict xvi thought it wouldn't play out that way and he was not going to hold the stage simply to hold the stage. he was going to make a humble act of acceptance of what he believes is god's will. >> is he making the decision about when the conclave will start? there are a lot of people who will wait the 15 days. normally it would be a period of mourning, but the pope has not died. >> i find this frankly ratherer puzzling myself. i'm told the decision was made by the dean of the college of cardinals and the guy who runs the church, if you will. it does seem to me to be rather a long
he said, john paul led the church to the end because he was convinced that one doesn't come down from the cross. a lot of people interpreted that as essentially the pope taking the easy way out. he's elderly, he's tired and so he's going to retire. >> i think that would be a bad way to look at this. these are two decisions in conscious made by two men of conscious. john paul ii's decision to live his dying publically was his last great teaching moment and the world responded to that in a...
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under rules established by pope john paul, only cardinals under the age of 80. will the retiring benedict be able to vote? he's 85. who can be elected pope? any catholic male who's not married is eligible. for more than 1,000 years it's almost always been a cardinal. the ballot is secret. a write-in vote. initially two-thirds majority required. the cardinals are required to carry their ballots to the altar of the sistine chapel. the results are announced by smoke signals. in the old days ballots were burnt with wet straw to produce black smoke. if there's a pope, white smoke. the white smoke accompanied by bells. and soon, a verbal announce nmt latin, we have a pope. one of the more interesting bit of trivia is that they'll have on hand three different casts for the newly elected pope. small, medium, large. the first glimmer of who that next pope will be, we'll see when he steps out on to that balcony. george? >> we're joined on the phone by cardinal wuehrl, thank you for joining us. your first thoughts upon hearing this news. >> it was an enormous surprise. whe
under rules established by pope john paul, only cardinals under the age of 80. will the retiring benedict be able to vote? he's 85. who can be elected pope? any catholic male who's not married is eligible. for more than 1,000 years it's almost always been a cardinal. the ballot is secret. a write-in vote. initially two-thirds majority required. the cardinals are required to carry their ballots to the altar of the sistine chapel. the results are announced by smoke signals. in the old days...
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he listened to john paul. he's been well aware of his own, the fragility of his health for a while. >> cardinal dolan continues to amaze me as how reasoned he sounds and how remarkable he pulls all the factors together. >> there are some 117, i think it is, cardinals under the age of 80 who will vote in the new conclave, but only 11 of them are american. that's why people say cardinal dolan maybe doesn't have a shot at becoming the next pope unless he garnered international support. >> it would be interesting to watch. earlier, we spoke with the dean of georgetown college and theology professor at georgetown university. he is an expert on catholicism and on pope benedict. is it possible they will look to a younger pope because of this? >> yes, anything is possible. i think he was elected at a fairly advanced age, and people thought it would be a short papacy. i predicted at the time it would be at least ten years. it's close. when you choose a younger pope however, you have to remember it is a lifetime appoint
he listened to john paul. he's been well aware of his own, the fragility of his health for a while. >> cardinal dolan continues to amaze me as how reasoned he sounds and how remarkable he pulls all the factors together. >> there are some 117, i think it is, cardinals under the age of 80 who will vote in the new conclave, but only 11 of them are american. that's why people say cardinal dolan maybe doesn't have a shot at becoming the next pope unless he garnered international support....
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john paul ii was the pope of de television and the traveling pope. pope benedict xvi has been called the pope of the internet. the pope of the rich in word. his teachings are so simple yet profound. i would encourage people just to read what he has written himself. he has a marvelous series on jesus of nazareth three books in a 3 part series. just very simple and yet very profound. what do congress look for? i asked that of cardinal dolan yesterday. his response was weatherman knee things are kneaded, many, many things, one of the first priorities of the cardinal he believes will be to find somebody who can give the new impetus to the church and strength and vigor and preaching president gospel of jesus with happiness and with conviction. and conviction not only of his own but being able to give conventioning reasons -- convincing reasons to the world no doubt the papacy is a different office or role than it was in the past because of communication. to have a pope who can communicate with that conviction to a world i believe is starving for real reas
john paul ii was the pope of de television and the traveling pope. pope benedict xvi has been called the pope of the internet. the pope of the rich in word. his teachings are so simple yet profound. i would encourage people just to read what he has written himself. he has a marvelous series on jesus of nazareth three books in a 3 part series. just very simple and yet very profound. what do congress look for? i asked that of cardinal dolan yesterday. his response was weatherman knee things are...
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he hasn't been the media star that john paul ii used to be. he has just tidecided to stay te to his character. and made the announcement not lock like such a big deal. >> claudio lavagna in rome. we will be check iing in with y throughout the morning. and now with more here is savannah. >> thanks, matt. >>> a consultant, thank you for being with us. >> hello. >> george, it's savannah. an incredibly surprising turn of events. what is the process for replace ing a pope under these circumstances? >> savannah, let's pause on that first statement just a moment. this is a surprise in that it hasn't happened in 717 years, but it's not a surprise in that benedict xvi has, on several public occasions and in his most recent interview book said that if he ever reached the judgment in conscience, as that statement said today, that he could not give the church the service it deserves because of advancing age or ill health that he would abdicate. i think it's a great statement about the humility of joseph ratzinger, as he will become at the moment of his ab
he hasn't been the media star that john paul ii used to be. he has just tidecided to stay te to his character. and made the announcement not lock like such a big deal. >> claudio lavagna in rome. we will be check iing in with y throughout the morning. and now with more here is savannah. >> thanks, matt. >>> a consultant, thank you for being with us. >> hello. >> george, it's savannah. an incredibly surprising turn of events. what is the process for replace ing a...
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. >> i want the new pope to continue that and continue to use worked started by john paul ii. >> i would like a young girl pope coming under than the current one. i would like more forms to get women involved in the church. >> many here believe things have to change, especially to stop the solution catholics from turning their backs on the church. >> for more and are, john, we just heard about the fact that some german catholics are looking for more reform. how is that scene? >> it's a very german phenomenon actually. there is criticism and even hostility toward the catholic church in other countries and far less demands for theological reforms. in upper cook, it is a very on critical atmosphere. >> how likely is it that we will see a non-european? >> it is very suspect. they have not voted along geographic lines. if they had come and the latin americans would not have elected cardinal ratzinger seven years ago. >> western societies seem somewhat removed from the church. where is this going? >> it's a very old institution, isn't it? let me tell you is story. in the beginning of the fifth
. >> i want the new pope to continue that and continue to use worked started by john paul ii. >> i would like a young girl pope coming under than the current one. i would like more forms to get women involved in the church. >> many here believe things have to change, especially to stop the solution catholics from turning their backs on the church. >> for more and are, john, we just heard about the fact that some german catholics are looking for more reform. how is that...
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of course, pope john paul ii had been pope since 1979. and so, of course, his impact felt not only in the religious world but also the political world. pope benedict, though, never really, of course, given the chance to emerge from the shadows. and it seems that for a good bit of his time, he was dogged by allegations that came through the child abuse scandal throughout certainly before his reign. he was constantly being dogged by questions regarding that. but mark halperin, an iconic figure replaced by pope benedict who has had a very short tenure and now is stepping down in a way that a lot of popes don't step down before they die. >> short tenure, and it's going to be scrutinized for some of the issues you raised. to me now thinking forward, it's going to be a very big story for catholics and others around the world including the question of will it be another european? there's going to be pressure to look to another region of the country as there was last time. i think it may happen this time. >> it's interesting because we're getting
of course, pope john paul ii had been pope since 1979. and so, of course, his impact felt not only in the religious world but also the political world. pope benedict, though, never really, of course, given the chance to emerge from the shadows. and it seems that for a good bit of his time, he was dogged by allegations that came through the child abuse scandal throughout certainly before his reign. he was constantly being dogged by questions regarding that. but mark halperin, an iconic figure...
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pope john paul ii was 84 when he died. wlerned after he died he considered twice resigning because of his ill health. this sets up a political process with the conclave electing the next pope. dan harris joining us on this discussion. it was a quick process to anoint pope benedict. how does the process work? >> this is a fascinating, intricate, ancient process. a brief look at how it works. take a look. for the past 10 year, papal elections have been held in the vatican's sistine chapel. they're totally cut off from the outside world. all banned. once the election commence, they'll sleep and eat in the santa marta house in private rooms, each with a bathroom. about 70 people are awe loied in besides the cardinals. who can vote for the pope? usually those under the age of 80 at the time of the pope's death. so at this time benedict is still alive. will he be part of it or will his age keep him out? any catholic male, not married, is eligible. for more than 1,000 year, it's almost always been a cardinal. the ballots are secr
pope john paul ii was 84 when he died. wlerned after he died he considered twice resigning because of his ill health. this sets up a political process with the conclave electing the next pope. dan harris joining us on this discussion. it was a quick process to anoint pope benedict. how does the process work? >> this is a fascinating, intricate, ancient process. a brief look at how it works. take a look. for the past 10 year, papal elections have been held in the vatican's sistine chapel....
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following john paul ii. that was a hard act to follow. they were looking for an elderly pontiff who would not be in position for that long and also there was no way anybody was going to top john paul ii in terms of charisma, in reaching out to the young, and, unfortunately, they didn't get a salgzman for catholicism in this particular pope, which will be a very important ingredient for the next one. >> he also had the burdens of dealing with the scandals after 27 years of john paul ii. he had to focus on the apology, the fact that he had actually met individually in his role as cardinal ratzinger investigating some of the problems of the abuse in the american church. >> he did go some way in terms of, you know, issuing an apology from the pope as a pretty lofty ideal, but, many of the, we still have a problem, many of the, worldwide with the sex scandal and the catholic church. they haven't addressed it at all levels. the vatican can pools. they can set lawsuits. there are a lot of damaged people out there who were basically abused as chi
following john paul ii. that was a hard act to follow. they were looking for an elderly pontiff who would not be in position for that long and also there was no way anybody was going to top john paul ii in terms of charisma, in reaching out to the young, and, unfortunately, they didn't get a salgzman for catholicism in this particular pope, which will be a very important ingredient for the next one. >> he also had the burdens of dealing with the scandals after 27 years of john paul ii. he...
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first with a pope from poland, a great pope john paul ii and pope benedict xvi, great pope from germany. both were surprises. certainly in latin america, there are enormous challenges and enormous opportunities. large numbers of the faithful who are desserting the church. we need to bring them back. in fact, pope benedict had a trip scheduled to brazil this summer for world youth day. that's going to be a significant moment. so, certainly the cardinals will be looking to north and latin america, too as one of the candidates. >> quickly, i don't know if you saw this photo of lightning striking st. peter's just 24 hours after the announcement. was this some sort of sign? >> well certainly i live just a couple minutes from the basilica. i saw it myself. i'm a witness. and i think god himself was saying to us these are going to be exciting times for the church. and i am with you. i'm present with you. and do not be afraid to go forward and make the right and the best decision for the church and, indeed for the world. >> that's what you saw when you saw the lightning? that's what you thought
first with a pope from poland, a great pope john paul ii and pope benedict xvi, great pope from germany. both were surprises. certainly in latin america, there are enormous challenges and enormous opportunities. large numbers of the faithful who are desserting the church. we need to bring them back. in fact, pope benedict had a trip scheduled to brazil this summer for world youth day. that's going to be a significant moment. so, certainly the cardinals will be looking to north and latin...
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paul ii. and the two of them in terms of dock tin were right down the -- doctrine were right down the line together. the pope is going to be one of them right? we really can't expect any major changes in the direction of the church or can we? >> well, we're certainly hoping for sister simone campbell. >> bill: she's got my voice. >> unfortunately, she's not of the right gender as per vatican rules. hopefully some day that will change. >> bill: it has to be a priest. therefore has to be a man. >> correct. >> bill: if is one of these -- we've talked before about -- and i've written about some of the things the church i think has to do something about allowing priests to get married. has to do something about allowing women to be ordained, just for starters. you know, what are the chances we'll get out of this group of 115, a pope who will go in that direction? >> i think your instincts are right that there's a lot of group think going on in the conclave. a lot of folks appointed to positions of
paul ii. and the two of them in terms of dock tin were right down the -- doctrine were right down the line together. the pope is going to be one of them right? we really can't expect any major changes in the direction of the church or can we? >> well, we're certainly hoping for sister simone campbell. >> bill: she's got my voice. >> unfortunately, she's not of the right gender as per vatican rules. hopefully some day that will change. >> bill: it has to be a priest....
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. >> chris: senate republicans are also talking about holding up the nomination of john brennan, the president's chief counterterrorism advisor, to head the cia. and, rand paul, your colleague, who will be on after the break, says one of the things he wants to ensure is that a president can't order a drone attack against an american citizen without a judicial review. is senator paul wrong? >> well, i think the worst thing in the world is to have the courts decide who to target in the war on terrorism. courts are not military commanders, the commander-in-chief has the right under our laws and authorization to use military force to designate the enemy, and i think we need drones to patrol our borders and, we are using drones where there is really no soldiers, and, along the afghan-pakistan border but i very much believe we're at war and any american citizen who aids al qaeda should be treated an enemy combatant and not a common criminal and we have done that in every war and drones are a tactical weapon in the overall war. >> chris: when congress gets back from recess, the week after t
. >> chris: senate republicans are also talking about holding up the nomination of john brennan, the president's chief counterterrorism advisor, to head the cia. and, rand paul, your colleague, who will be on after the break, says one of the things he wants to ensure is that a president can't order a drone attack against an american citizen without a judicial review. is senator paul wrong? >> well, i think the worst thing in the world is to have the courts decide who to target in...
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andrew koppelman is the john paul stevens professor of law at northwestern university. he received his bachelor's from the university of chicago and his jd and phd from yale law school. his scholarship focuses on issues at the intersection of law and political philosophy. he is the author of "defending american religious neutrality," and several other books. and more than 80 articles and scholarly journals. sherif girgis is a phd student in philosophy at princeton university and a jd candidate at yale law school. after graduating from princeton , where he won prizes for best senior thesis in ethics and philosophy, as well as the dante society prize, he obtained a degree from the university of oxford as a rhodes scholar. he is the author of a recent book "what is marriage," described as the most formidable defense of traditional marriage ever written. we are grateful to him for participating in this event. >> thank you so much for the introduction. thanks, everyone, for coming. a special thankso professor koppelman. i have a pleasure of speaking on the panel with him bef
andrew koppelman is the john paul stevens professor of law at northwestern university. he received his bachelor's from the university of chicago and his jd and phd from yale law school. his scholarship focuses on issues at the intersection of law and political philosophy. he is the author of "defending american religious neutrality," and several other books. and more than 80 articles and scholarly journals. sherif girgis is a phd student in philosophy at princeton university and a jd...
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paul. >> pope john paul ii. >> yes, of course. the long twilight of john paul, his struggle with age and parkinson's disease, lingering effect of the 1981 assassination attempt are all played out in full public view, and john paul decided to use his illness and decline in a way as a teaching moment, that -- to show the world you can still be of value, still play an important role while being ill, suffering, and so on. that was john paul's particular way of handling the twilight of his life. benedict xvi, while i think certainly ahe certainly admiring john paul, thinks that's not the path that every pope takes. some of the difficulties the vatican faced in recent years. internal disarray relating to the leaked crisis. the damage imposed upon the public image of the church by the sex abuse scandals and so on, it's clear that that has taken a toll on benedict xvi, he has struggled with that personally and it may well be that the people who have seen the cumulative effect of that, that the church needs a new lease on life and a fresh
paul. >> pope john paul ii. >> yes, of course. the long twilight of john paul, his struggle with age and parkinson's disease, lingering effect of the 1981 assassination attempt are all played out in full public view, and john paul decided to use his illness and decline in a way as a teaching moment, that -- to show the world you can still be of value, still play an important role while being ill, suffering, and so on. that was john paul's particular way of handling the twilight of...
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john paul said no, i need you here. pope john paul ii died and then he became pope. benedict is a far shyer man, he's a gentle man, he's far more than intellectual. he never sucked in the oxygen of the crowd. he at times, ren sant. since he announced his abdication, i have been struck by how much he relieved he looks. he actually ad lib when he got up there. when i looked at his prepared text. heed a lib an aline, people say that the church is declining but i see the church as alive, because that crowd was filled with enthusiasm and energy yesterday. you know, you have seen when he met with some priests here in rome about a week ago, he was supposed to deliver a speech about the second vatican -- vatican ii, he was there at the time, that happened 50 years ago. he said no, i can't do that because of my advanced age. 85 has become his excuse to be more casual if you will and he said, no, i'll sit here and chat with you. he talked with 46 minutes without a note about what went on 50 years ago. so, clearly, his mind and those who know him and those who read his writings
john paul said no, i need you here. pope john paul ii died and then he became pope. benedict is a far shyer man, he's a gentle man, he's far more than intellectual. he never sucked in the oxygen of the crowd. he at times, ren sant. since he announced his abdication, i have been struck by how much he relieved he looks. he actually ad lib when he got up there. when i looked at his prepared text. heed a lib an aline, people say that the church is declining but i see the church as alive, because...
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6:00 was in not very good shape at all, john paul -- john paul xxiii, and pius, a number of them ended their reigns in ill health. maybe u.s. a better service to the church, one feels one can no longer fulfill his duties as benedict xvi said. perhaps it's better for the church to step down voluntarily. rather than to wait until death. >> back in 1989 and 1994, john paul ii had prepared we know to resign, if, in fact, he had some sort of condition or disease that would keep him from fulfilling his ministry, we have learned that the late pope's the person in charge of his affairs. incredibly unusualnusual. right to dan lothian at the white house. did they have a close relationship. a typical relationship that you would have between a pope and world leader? >> i think it can be described as a respectful relationship, and the two have met, on one time face to face as far as we're aware, and back in 2009, overseas to agana and moscow, met face to face for 25 minutes, talked about billions of dollars in aid to developing countries and much of their discussion, food aid and discussion centere
6:00 was in not very good shape at all, john paul -- john paul xxiii, and pius, a number of them ended their reigns in ill health. maybe u.s. a better service to the church, one feels one can no longer fulfill his duties as benedict xvi said. perhaps it's better for the church to step down voluntarily. rather than to wait until death. >> back in 1989 and 1994, john paul ii had prepared we know to resign, if, in fact, he had some sort of condition or disease that would keep him from...
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john paul ii made a conscience decision to die in public. not to say look at me, look at me conforming myself to the passion and death and resurrection of jesus christ. benedict xvi has made a decision that the church needs something that he cannot give so he should get out of the way. he should retire into the background. that, as ann just indicated and liz mentioned and i mentioned and he mentioned, is another way to bear the cross of christ. and i think it was a very strikingly personal last statement to the church. i'm not leaving you. and thank you for not leaving me. >> we heard the loud applause there, the pope was delivering the message in spanish, the church has seen growth in latin america, seen growth in africa, leading to questions, father, about his success so, whether it could be someone who is from africa, from latin america, maybe even dare we say, north america. >> could well be. the church certainly has shifted, as you say, it's suffering in western europe, yet there are 61 cardinals from europe. the college of cardinals th
john paul ii made a conscience decision to die in public. not to say look at me, look at me conforming myself to the passion and death and resurrection of jesus christ. benedict xvi has made a decision that the church needs something that he cannot give so he should get out of the way. he should retire into the background. that, as ann just indicated and liz mentioned and i mentioned and he mentioned, is another way to bear the cross of christ. and i think it was a very strikingly personal last...
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we've become accustomed to it with john paul and with benedict. now it's pretty much expected of him. i think that's right what liz said about him, the father quality of the pope. that's a great advantage to have. >> and as you also look at him -- and he looks like an 85-year-old man, and you realize the stress that must have been on him, certainly in the run-up to this and the decision that he finally decided to make. but just the wear and tear of preparing. we know that yesterday he had something of a down day. there's packing to be done. there are papers to be gone through. there are decisions to be made. and he will be going to castel gandolfo, which is the summer residence of the pope, where he will stay until a more permanent residence is finished. they have been doing renovations on the old monastery on the grounds of the vatican. he's someone, liz, who really -- it's not a job that he can go home at 5:00, and he puts his little time card in, and it ends. this is a man who for the last eight years, when most people would want to be retiring
we've become accustomed to it with john paul and with benedict. now it's pretty much expected of him. i think that's right what liz said about him, the father quality of the pope. that's a great advantage to have. >> and as you also look at him -- and he looks like an 85-year-old man, and you realize the stress that must have been on him, certainly in the run-up to this and the decision that he finally decided to make. but just the wear and tear of preparing. we know that yesterday he had...
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he was 5 years old, older now than when his predecessor pope john paul passed away. that is to be taken into consideration. some of the are cardinals here in the united states are reacting. we heard from cardinal timothy dolan in new york, he was elevated to that office by pope benedict. let's hear what he had to say. >> i would presume his esteem for the office as the successor of st. peter and the chief pastor of the (audio difficulty) still to come when 9news continues we will have new developments in the search for a rogue california cop accused of killing outside a wave >>> a 14-year-old is being charged as an adult in the murder of his seven-month-old sister. police say baby larissa was left from the care of her brother jonathan a aguilera. the teenager admitted covering her nose and her mouth in order to stop her from crying. he is due in court for a bond hearing this afternoon. >>> a $11 million reward is now being offered for help to capture a former los angeles police officer wanted for murder. christopher dorner is accused of killing three people to avenge
he was 5 years old, older now than when his predecessor pope john paul passed away. that is to be taken into consideration. some of the are cardinals here in the united states are reacting. we heard from cardinal timothy dolan in new york, he was elevated to that office by pope benedict. let's hear what he had to say. >> i would presume his esteem for the office as the successor of st. peter and the chief pastor of the (audio difficulty) still to come when 9news continues we will have new...
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john paul ii had more charisma. >> contra races were coming up -- controversy was coming up. i think he handled them with wisdom. >> the wise are normally the old people. >> time now to return our attention to some other international news. supporters are calling it a revolution, but critics are lashing out at the new eu agreement to cap bonuses. it is aimed at a re-piece of the financial crisis. >> those in favor say it will address public anger about the role played by the banks and the economic meltdown. those against it, notably britain's -- britons, say that it will drive talent out of europe. >> the talks took more than 10 months. negotiators managed to clinch the deal despite opposition from the uk. at present, bankers can receive bonuses of as much as 20 times their basic salary. under the new rules, which can come into effect next year, they could be -- capped at one year's salary. >> most important thing is that banks will be stabilized, that a are better able to withstand the crisis -- that they are better able to withstand the crisis. >> it shows we are implementi
john paul ii had more charisma. >> contra races were coming up -- controversy was coming up. i think he handled them with wisdom. >> the wise are normally the old people. >> time now to return our attention to some other international news. supporters are calling it a revolution, but critics are lashing out at the new eu agreement to cap bonuses. it is aimed at a re-piece of the financial crisis. >> those in favor say it will address public anger about the role played by...
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pope john paul ii said i need you with me. of course he did. he listened to john paul. so he's been well aware of his own fragility of his health for a while. >> reporter: and you know, the timing is also rather surprising. it is two days before ash wednesday, and the start of lent, a very holy day for catholics. the cardinal said in facts he's sure people around him knew that this was going to happen. and put a transition team in place. the cardinal says a conclave will take a month. but right now all of that timing is being worked out. suzanne. >> all right. deb, thank you. i appreciate it. >>> the former navy s.e.a.l. who reportedly fired the shot that killed osama bin laden is said to be furious with the u.s. military. he has no pension or medical insurance, and according to an investigative piece in esquire magazine called the man who shot and killed osama bin laden, the shooter who is not named, he told a friend, this is a quote here, he says if i get killed on this next deployment. i know my family will be taken care of. but if i come back and retire, i won't hav
pope john paul ii said i need you with me. of course he did. he listened to john paul. so he's been well aware of his own fragility of his health for a while. >> reporter: and you know, the timing is also rather surprising. it is two days before ash wednesday, and the start of lent, a very holy day for catholics. the cardinal said in facts he's sure people around him knew that this was going to happen. and put a transition team in place. the cardinal says a conclave will take a month. but...
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he was not john paul ii. john paul was such an immense figure. is that a fair point mr. moody is making? >> well, i think it is a fair point. i have nothing but the greatest admiration for john, and i think pope benedict knew that. what comes through about pope benedict is the humility in one interview he gave, long book interview, where he mentioned the possibility of resigning but he said i'm convinced there are great popes and small popes, and he was talking about john paul ii as a great pope, and himself as small pope, which is also strange because he is obviously a great intellectual. but he knew he didn't have either the energy or, if you will, the pizazz of john paul ii, the media satisfy iy. but what he wad was very genuine. he is a month in love with god, and a very humble one. i noticed on the trip to the u.s., and you see the stadium filled, and john paul would enjoy those as much as an actor enjoys a big crowd, and benedict was a little bit almost embarrassed. but there was something beautiful and endear about that. >> there were missteps and miscues along th
he was not john paul ii. john paul was such an immense figure. is that a fair point mr. moody is making? >> well, i think it is a fair point. i have nothing but the greatest admiration for john, and i think pope benedict knew that. what comes through about pope benedict is the humility in one interview he gave, long book interview, where he mentioned the possibility of resigning but he said i'm convinced there are great popes and small popes, and he was talking about john paul ii as a...
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john paul ii took wonderful walks here. benedict xvi i'm told is a much, much more private man, expected to spend a long time in his rooms here. he'll be here for about two months while they restore his home at the vatican where he will eventually spend the rest of his life. guys? >> all right, becky anderson, thank you very much. we'll check back in with you. >>> here to help us walk through today is monsignor rick hi hillgartner. i wanted to walk through what is going to happen today when the pope meets with the cardinals. can you walk us through that? >> sure. >> yesterday in st. peter's square there were upwards of 50,000 people or more giving that public witness. this will be the most with his closest collaborators over the years. the pope's personal collaborators are the bishops throughout the world and in a particular way it's the cardinals standing at the heart of those, many of the cardinals of the people who workday to day in the vatican who work with the pope on a regular basis. who see him week in, week out. the
john paul ii took wonderful walks here. benedict xvi i'm told is a much, much more private man, expected to spend a long time in his rooms here. he'll be here for about two months while they restore his home at the vatican where he will eventually spend the rest of his life. guys? >> all right, becky anderson, thank you very much. we'll check back in with you. >>> here to help us walk through today is monsignor rick hi hillgartner. i wanted to walk through what is going to happen...
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ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that we are living through a day of enormous shock here in rome. not so much the pope benedict xvi chose to resign. he signaled two years ago that he would be open to doing that, but the fact that we had absolutely no indication this was coming today. precisely because of that, therefore, there are some enormous unanswered questions about how all of this is going to play out. i suppose the biggest questions would be, "a," what will the role of a retired pope be? will he continue to play any kind of public role? will he continue to exercise any influence on the future direction
ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that...
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and what you have now is, you know, 2005, i was here when pope john paul ii died, and we had the conclave for pope benedict xvi election. now, at that time there was a lot of criticism that cardinal bernard law was coming here to take part in that conclave. at that time the vatican said that it's up to -- it's his duty, and he should come. now they're changing their tone somewhat about these others who are embroiled in these scandals and saying, well, it's up to him. they don't want now, here in the vatican, to take responsibility for these cardinals coming here. they're saying no, it's up to him. and obviously many of them were hoping that they wouldn't come. >> christiane amanpour working for us at the vatican and father albert cutie, thank you both for your input. >>> as we move along, here are two things you never want to hear in the same sentence, horse meat and ikea meatballs. it's happened and we'll explain after this break. card rewards are easy to remember with the bankamericard cash rewards credit card. earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. [ both ] 2% back on groceries. [ a
and what you have now is, you know, 2005, i was here when pope john paul ii died, and we had the conclave for pope benedict xvi election. now, at that time there was a lot of criticism that cardinal bernard law was coming here to take part in that conclave. at that time the vatican said that it's up to -- it's his duty, and he should come. now they're changing their tone somewhat about these others who are embroiled in these scandals and saying, well, it's up to him. they don't want now, here...
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paul and who was here with me in rome when we covered the death of john paul. and carl, it is good to see you. and i'm wondering just about your general reaction now, eight years later, when many people thought this would be a placeholder pope, what are your thoughts today? >> i think that it was worse than a placeholder pope. that the church fell into a kind of morass because of its internal problems and the failure to modernize its institutions, the conclave that elected benedict probably could have seen this coming, it didn't. but the truly revolutionary act of this papacy is the resignation of benedict while he's still somewhat able. it breaks tradition and it's an extraordinary and brave act that perhaps will enable the next conclave to think differently about the future of the church. and i started doing some thinking and going back and looking at modern history of the church last night. maybe, they're always talking, the cardinals, about hoe the holy spirit may move them. maybe it's time for a new vatican council, such as pope john xxiii called in the mi
paul and who was here with me in rome when we covered the death of john paul. and carl, it is good to see you. and i'm wondering just about your general reaction now, eight years later, when many people thought this would be a placeholder pope, what are your thoughts today? >> i think that it was worse than a placeholder pope. that the church fell into a kind of morass because of its internal problems and the failure to modernize its institutions, the conclave that elected benedict...
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the other 50 were appointed by his predecessor, pope john paul ii. so, directly, no, he will not have any input into the conclave, but, indirectly, because he had such an important role in appointing those cardinals, he will have some role to play, but not directly, as i said. christi? >> ben wedemen, thank you so much as we look at live pictures there from vatican tv. >>> coming up in our 8:00 hour here, we'll take a closer look at the intrigue and the secrecy in the church, as well as hollywood's obsession with the vatican, you know, it's there. >>> i want to talk to you about what's happening back here at home. a blinding whiteout in detroit. this is on a major freeway. no immediate reports of fatal y fatalities. 44 vehicles that collided saturday on interstate 75. listen it to this couple who was caught in the middle of that i-75 smash up. >> it was just like somebody suddenly threw a white sheet across the windshield and we couldn't see anything. >> you could hear all the cars banging. >> detroit is not the only place getting snow. here's meteor
the other 50 were appointed by his predecessor, pope john paul ii. so, directly, no, he will not have any input into the conclave, but, indirectly, because he had such an important role in appointing those cardinals, he will have some role to play, but not directly, as i said. christi? >> ben wedemen, thank you so much as we look at live pictures there from vatican tv. >>> coming up in our 8:00 hour here, we'll take a closer look at the intrigue and the secrecy in the church, as...
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martha: at that time obviously the legacy of sphoap john paul was so -- the legacy of pope john paul was so huge. some those would be a transitional pope before the next person was ready to take over. we have a lot to go over with all of this in the course of the next couple hours. in the meantime we want to bring you this breaking news and fill you in on this situation unfolding in a courthouse in wilmington, delaware where we just heard shots have been fired. police are confirming there are several injuries in this case. the building is on lockdown. some people are still inside that building. we have a crew en route there. we'll bring you the latest information as soon as it becomes available. another day, another shooting story. the los angeles police department is offering a $1 million reward for information that would lead to the capture of a former police officer. christopher dorner accused of murdering three people in a rampage last week and included in those deaths is a police officer. here is video that shows dorner during this police training. we have not seen much of this
martha: at that time obviously the legacy of sphoap john paul was so -- the legacy of pope john paul was so huge. some those would be a transitional pope before the next person was ready to take over. we have a lot to go over with all of this in the course of the next couple hours. in the meantime we want to bring you this breaking news and fill you in on this situation unfolding in a courthouse in wilmington, delaware where we just heard shots have been fired. police are confirming there are...
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following the death of john paul he was elected pope back in 2005. he was 78, the oldest person to become pope in almost 300 years. little has been said publicly about his health, which made his resignation even more surprising since he said his strength has deteriorated recently. let's get some more now on the pope's health. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, is joining us. sanjay, what do we know about the pope's health as of late? >> well, you know, not much that's new here, wolf. and i think that's part of the reason this came as a surprise to so many people. certainly we know his age, 85 years old, and as a physician there's all sorts of different things that you certainly worry about. cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancer, stroke. he had a hemorrhage in his brain they think back in 1991 that may have been due to a stroke. but a long time ago, and there was no evidence of anything recently along those lines. he had a fall where he broke his wrist in 2009. and there's been pictures of him where he seems to maybe more increasing
following the death of john paul he was elected pope back in 2005. he was 78, the oldest person to become pope in almost 300 years. little has been said publicly about his health, which made his resignation even more surprising since he said his strength has deteriorated recently. let's get some more now on the pope's health. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, is joining us. sanjay, what do we know about the pope's health as of late? >> well, you know, not much that's new...
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>> well, i think he sees the papacy very much in continuity of john paul ii. they were both men of the council. they were at vatican 2 and contributed and i think both saw an attempt to interpret vatican 2 properly. i would say that's the major contribution of pope benedict. he wanted to read vatican 2 as a an evangelical council, a council to get the message of the faith out to the wider world and i think in koont knewty with john paul and that's probably the major legacy. >> father, this will kick off sort of the ultimate insider political battle if you will. i can think of nothing less than transparent of the election. it's a cardinal sin to discuss it an they're told i guess going to hell to talk about what happens in that room. >> wow. >> i wonder if you could just take for sort of the laymen and women out there for the process. what is going to unfold in the week and months ahead to elect a new pope? >> of course, this is very unusual. we are not dealing with the death of a pope followed by a period of mourning and a number offer is moans and masses that
>> well, i think he sees the papacy very much in continuity of john paul ii. they were both men of the council. they were at vatican 2 and contributed and i think both saw an attempt to interpret vatican 2 properly. i would say that's the major contribution of pope benedict. he wanted to read vatican 2 as a an evangelical council, a council to get the message of the faith out to the wider world and i think in koont knewty with john paul and that's probably the major legacy. >>...
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. >> it is a valid opinion and that is what john paul ii did but i think if my opinion this is really an act of boldness on the part of this pope and, also, an act of great humility. >> the church will turn its attention to the successor, and a bay area man will be part of that decision. the cardinal will be in voting on the next pope. >> a lot of times someone who is appointed a cardinal which 10 great thing in itself never gets to vote for a pope so this is a big deal. >> the archbishop of san francisco released a written statement praising the pope for his service and the archdiocese says parishes will pray for the pope and his successor. >> a clergyman from california will vote even for the next pope, although he is banned from public duties because of the way he handle the sexual abuse cases. cardinal mahony headed the archdiocese of los angeles and the current archbishop banished him from duties after he found out he dismissed sexual abuse cases of priests. >> after the resignation on february 28, a secret group of cardinals begins in 15 to 20 days in manner. the vatican hopes t
. >> it is a valid opinion and that is what john paul ii did but i think if my opinion this is really an act of boldness on the part of this pope and, also, an act of great humility. >> the church will turn its attention to the successor, and a bay area man will be part of that decision. the cardinal will be in voting on the next pope. >> a lot of times someone who is appointed a cardinal which 10 great thing in itself never gets to vote for a pope so this is a big deal....
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virtually all these cardinals who are picked either by pope benedict or by pope john paul, i believe, somebody correct me if i'm wrong, the average age is somewhere in the 70s, low 70s. there aren't if to really drive your metaphor into the ground, a lot of blue state sort of cardinals in that list, and so there are not a lot of obviously progressive candidates on the list of potential popes. i don't think progressive conservative, however, is the right optic. i think the real question is when you get someone elected who actually is open to change and dialogue on some of these issues, on the all male celibate priesthood, if not on women priests. birth control is kind of a separate issue. the church ares until this contraception fight over the obama plan, really hasn't preached very much about it. it's not only the faithful who let it go. it's really the church itself who sort of accept that. there just aren't a lot of catholic families of 12 kids anymore in most of the west, and increasingly, not in the third world either. >> e.j., i want to bring in our panel here in new york, and be
virtually all these cardinals who are picked either by pope benedict or by pope john paul, i believe, somebody correct me if i'm wrong, the average age is somewhere in the 70s, low 70s. there aren't if to really drive your metaphor into the ground, a lot of blue state sort of cardinals in that list, and so there are not a lot of obviously progressive candidates on the list of potential popes. i don't think progressive conservative, however, is the right optic. i think the real question is when...